List of Mandela Effect/Quantum Effect Scriptures

I said that I would get together a list of scriptures that have been altered by the Mandela/Quantum Effect, and so I have. The other day I included a link to a wiki page on this site, and then that page went down, and I guess the administrator changed to a forum format on the changes. There is a bit of a problem in that a lot of people who are familiar with scripture are not very familiar with KJV 1611.

CAM00815My first serious study bible a KJV 1611 Gideon’s Bible from about 1996 through 2000 is when I used this. Psalm 119 is pretty heavily highlighted here, and a questionable quantum effect scripture.

That version does indeed have a lot of weird words and names that are not in KJV, NKJV, KJV Authorized, or the various KJV study and reference bibles. It also always DID say “Easter” in Acts 12:4, where it should have said “passover” as reflected in the Greek. This is a perfect example of translator bias, and also a perfect rebuttal to people who claim that it is impossible for the devil to change scripture in anyway. The translators inserted a pagan holiday in place of the name of the actual moed (appointed time or feast) Israel is in covenant to keep.

Please be aware that the following list may be added to as this continues. And I am not saying that I know the entire KJV 1611 by rote, nor am I trying to be dismissive of things that people run across that strike them as odd. But there are things people are convinced are Mandela or Quantum changes that are actually peculiarities of a particular translation. And there are things that strike me as odd that I am unsure about. If I am uncertain, I won’t include it as a definitive effect, but as a question. Should there be a believer that seriously studied that passage or chapter that the Spirit confirms is a a believer, I will happily remove or add the questionable ones. It would be very helpful if people would name the type of scripture in which any changes they think may have occurred are contained.

Everything is in KJV and KJV 1611 unless it is followed by “ALL

Genesis 1:1 “In the beginning Yah created the heaven(s) and the earth”

Took out the s

Isaiah 11:6 – I don’t want to write it, but wolf has been inserted in the place of young lion and lion.     ALL

Isaiah 65:25—Same…Wolf in place of lion.  ALL
CAM00809What I remember is ” The lion and the lamb shall dwell together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock (or ox) and dust shall be the serpent’s meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the Lord.”

Matthew 7:1 “Judge not lest ye be judged”

Now, “Judge not that ye be not judged”

Matthew 6 9-13 “Our Father who art in heaven, hallowed by thy Name. They kingdom come, thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread and forgive our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us, and lead us not unto temptation but deliver us from evil. For thine is the kingdom, and the power and the glory forever.”

“Our Father who art in heaven, hallowed by thy Name. They kingdom come, thy will be done in earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread and forgive our debts as we forgive our debtors, and lead us not unto temptation but deliver us from evil. For thine is the kingdom, and the power and the glory forever.”

Matthew 9:17 bottles instead of wineskins

Mark 2:22 bottles instead of wineskins.

Also bottles used instead of jars in the OT.

Luke 19:23 “bank” used to be to the exchangers, or those who lend.

Luke !9:27 “…and SLAY them before me“. Never, ever, said that. Some are saying “shew” some think mirror of Matthew and “bind them and cast them into the outer darkness.” Some think it was “remove them from my presence.” Initially, it seemed to me that it was a mirror of the parable in Matthew, and I thought “bind”, but I am now convinced that it actually was “remove them from my presence”. I studied Matthew more than Luke, but I knew it was effectively the same thing….and NOT “slay”, “kill” or “slaughter”.  ALL

Luke 6:49, a man that built his house upon the sand became “earth” in KJV and ground in NIV   ALL

John 8:32…..”and the truth shall set you free.” became “MAKE you free.

Mark 13:10….”the gospel must first be preached in among all nations” Preached is now “published“.

Luke 17:31…”In that day, he which shall be on the housetop, and his stuff in the house,….” Was possessions or belongings, never stuff.

Luke 1:35: …”therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee…”. Was holy one born of thee.

Numerous insertions of the word “stuff” in place of possessions or belongings.

Use of the word “matrix” in place of womb in Exodus and Numbers 5 times. (Strong’s 7358…twenty four times elsewhere the same word is translated as womb.)

Job 19:23: “Oh that my words were now written! Oh that they were printed in a book!” Used to read: “Oh that my words were now written! Oh that they were written in a scroll!”

Additionally:

Revelation Chapter 5: The word scroll has changed to book in KJV and KJV 1611. Importantly, “little book” always was in Revelation Chapter 10 and also it was always book in Chapter 22 of Revelation.

 

Questionable things:

Psalms 119:2…”Blessed are they that keep His testimonies…”. Across all translations, this says “testimonies” or directions, yet people remember it saying commandments. I am not certain. Testimonies does not hit me as wrong, and neither does “commandments” strike me as wrong. Above there is a picture of my first serious  bible (that I really wore out) with this scripture highlighted. Interestingly,  I had highlighted many of the scriptures that people are perceiving as affected. This is one of them. as is one of the “matrix” scriptures. Somewhere between 1996 and 2000 is when I used this bible.

Pounds versus talents in Luke…In KJV only…I think I remember it actually being pounds in the KJV. Penny was also used instead of denarius in KJV and KJV 1611. Perhaps some study bibles or reference bibles in KJV used denarius, but not all.

“Confederacy” instead of the word conspiracy in Isaiah 12. The word is Strong’s 7195 and every other place it appears it is translated as conspiracy.

Luke 12:24…”ravens”….It is the same across all translations, but it seems that it should be sparrows. I would like someone who studied Luke 12 heavily to weigh in. Until then, it’s questionable to me. But not saying it is an ME.

Revelations 22:12…Reads “according as his work shall be” and I remember according to his work. Just doesn’t make sense. However, I am not certain enough to put it into the definite category.

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196 Comments (+add yours?)

  1. Robby M
    Nov 12, 2016 @ 11:30:30

    Genesis 1:1 Used to read “In the beginning God created the Heavens and the Earth.” It has always been plural I know because for years I searched for the meaning of this. Now it reads: In the beginning God created the Heaven and the Earth. Singular. But if go on youtube there are alot of readings where the narrator still says it correctly. I wonder if the same is with the rest off the altered verses.

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    • Leah
      Mar 12, 2017 @ 08:31:30

      Is this only the KJV? Because in my NKJV it is still plural. This particular Bible was purchased in 2005.

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  2. Barb
    Nov 13, 2016 @ 13:02:25

    John 1:27 – I wasn’t sure about this verse, but I always knew it as sandals… in the KJV it reads : He it is who coming after me is preferred before me, who’s “shoes latchet” I am not worthy to unloose.

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    • truthfarmer
      Nov 13, 2016 @ 19:50:17

      It was sandal’s there before. I have NO recollection at all of ever seeing the word ‘shoe’ in the KJV at all. Don’t recall it in any other translations, but I am most familiar with KJV and KJV1611.

      Thanks for letting us know about this one. I imagine an emoji of two sandals slapping together with dust clouds flying off — at the AI?demons making this happen. Not two shoes. Never two shoes.

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  3. Alison Ladlow
    Nov 27, 2016 @ 14:10:26

    Thankyou.

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  4. ryumodo
    Dec 06, 2016 @ 10:48:05

    Please help me my husband and I remember revelations saying that the devil would have a 1000 year reign yet every where I read it saying Jesus will.

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  5. Kris K
    Dec 22, 2016 @ 15:38:01

    Thank you for putting up this page, When I go to look for a Memorzed word in a scripture, and Search for it Via a Online bible search site. Im getting different words. Its disconcerting.
    But wondering if this is a the time of the Five Wise and Five Foolish. You either have it your heart or you dont.

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    • truthfarmer
      Dec 22, 2016 @ 18:39:24

      You are welcome! There are many more now than this, but it’s just very difficult to stay on top of it.

      Thank you for the suggestion about the five and the other five. I think you may have it there.

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  6. Bunni W
    Dec 30, 2016 @ 17:36:45

    Thank you for your page and courage to post it. I see that those that do not see these changes turning against those that see the changes or sometimes visa versa. Please let us not fight one another in name calling. We should be loving one another as He loved us. I did see my KJV bible from 1976 was not affected … no changed in words. That was last Wednesday. This Wednesday all the words changed in it. I almost dropped my bible.

    I believe that someone video over 500+ changes to the KJV. They also have a list of the new words and the original words. One is the Number 24:14 And now, behold, I go unto my people: come therefore, and I will advertise thee what this people shall do to thy people in the latter days. advertise instead of advise. Oh and tires (I believe it’s ornaments)… … Ezekiel 24:23 And your tires shall be upon your heads, and your shoes upon your feet: ye shall
    not mourn nor weep; but ye shall pine away for your iniquities, and mourn one …

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  7. Sharon Reis
    Jan 14, 2017 @ 20:50:24

    My site has recorded over 1800 scriptures changes based on a consensus.
    https://quantumeffectconcerningscriptures.net

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  8. Dom
    Jan 22, 2017 @ 23:49:13

    Another few I’ve noticed in the KJV shepherd has been changed to Pastor.. even in the Old Testament. I’m pretty certain the word pastor came about in the 1800’s, way after the KJV was written. And for sure it wasn’t a term used in the Old Testament. Jeremiah 2:3 “the priests said not, where is the Lord? And they that handle the law knew me not: the pastors also transgressed against me”. Jeremiah 3:15 “and I will give you pastors according to mine heart”

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  9. Carrie
    Jan 27, 2017 @ 07:12:11

    thank you for you compilation of truth. There is a force altering things and I am glad I am not alone in seeing it. It really may mean we are the ‘chosen ones’ or a government experiment lol

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  10. missy
    Jan 30, 2017 @ 12:40:54

    I had memorized, “fear is sin”. It is no longer in the Bible. I had memorized the scripture of slanderers, COWARDS….not be allowed to enter the kingdom of God. But, now the word, “cowards” is removed. I had memorized other scriptures that now read different. I had thought it weird-wondering how that could happen. I had carefully bought a very, very good KJ translation many years ago (trying to get a very authentic one). I looked up all the scriptures above, and they are indeed changed. I even remember those scriptures reading different. It is correct that the scripture of “slay them” in Luke was never “slay them”. Jesus/Yahushua would never say that as he does not contradict himself. I remember the “lion and the lamb” as I had memorized that. I was stunned to read wolf as the word in place of lion. Such proof leads me to believe that the great deception mentioned in the Bible has already begun. This deception is much more deep and evil than I ever thought it would be (some deception is more obvious), but this seems to go much deeper. I don’t even think most Christians will want to believe the truth that lies before our eyes. It seems impossible.

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  11. apollo13
    Feb 01, 2017 @ 10:48:16

    You are 100% correct as these changes have been made.

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  12. J Claire
    Feb 05, 2017 @ 13:52:28

    I think this information as presented can still be blown off in a way that some folks like to do. ‘Ah, the Bible is constantly being changed’, etc. What needs to be said here is these changes are occurring in real time, within Bibles already printed; bibles already in people’s homes are being changed.

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  13. Timothy Alan Whalen
    Feb 17, 2017 @ 20:33:56

    I see Luke Chapter 20, Verse 24, “Shew me a penny. Whose image and superscription hath it?” I thought it should read as a Denarius, the term of “penny” should not apply in that time or monetary system.

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  14. Timothy Alan Whalen
    Feb 17, 2017 @ 20:38:20

    I see Luke Chapter 21, Verse 9, “But when ye shall hear of wars and commotions, be not terrified: for these things must first come to pass; but the end is not by and by”.

    I remember this passage reading “But when ye shall hear of wars and rumors of wars, be not afraid: for these things must first come to pass; but the end is yet”.

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  15. Timothy Alan Whalen
    Feb 17, 2017 @ 20:47:58

    I see John, Chapter 2, Verse 16, “Take these things hence, make not my Father’s house an house of merchandise”.

    The term merchandise strikes me as different. I think I remember something to the effect of “A den of thieves”.

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    • buricco
      Feb 20, 2017 @ 20:55:55

      You’re not misremembering: “And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer, but ye have made it a den of thieves.” Matthew 21.13 KJV

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      • Doug McIver
        Feb 20, 2017 @ 21:38:16

        I think that actually the line you 2 remember is from Jesus Christ Superstar. If you’ve seen the movie a hundred times like me, it’s easy to start talking those lines as scripture

    • James Furmall
      May 12, 2017 @ 12:57:10

      You are correct, but the “den of thieves” phrase in found in Matthew, Mark, and Luke, but not in John.

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    • Michael Brown
      May 18, 2017 @ 02:20:47

      I remember marketplace.

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  16. victoria517
    Feb 23, 2017 @ 16:59:29

    Exactly my thoughts, changes in previous printed bibles!? Im newborn in christ but im terrified at this, whats right and wjat isn’t?

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    • Jason Blake
      Mar 07, 2017 @ 15:25:01

      That is how I remember Matthew 21:13, den of thieves etc, the ‘merchandise’ change and the Lords prayer ‘debts and debtors’ change takes the heat off the money changers (bankers) and our controllers, which demonstrates who is actually the power behind these changes. Our reality is created in our minds through the 5 senses, and we work on linear time, which other dimensions do not. This life experience I am having is starting to get a whole lot more interesting !! The 1611 KJV has always been a target of the Satan energy in mankind’s monkey mind, as it was a good translation and all other subsequent bible versions have significantly altered the word of God to lose the deeper spiritual meaning and particularly prophesy interpretation. In fact whole paragraphs and verses have been removed from the Catholic bible, the Satanic agenda has been to lower Jesus’s status as son of god in the flesh. I feel sorry for the people obeying satanic forces behind all these changes, they will suffer wrath of God at the judgement and will experience the second death, these low quality (vibration) souls will not be allowed to incarnate on the Earth for another 1000 years. The Lion and Lamb lie down together, the Wolf idea is hilarious. This could be an attack from the lost tribe of Dan, Dan’s descendants are behind much of the free masonry activity as they were never forgiven by God for their idol worship. All this is self exalting creation worship (idolatry) rather than worship of our most high creator!! Agreed it is hard for new comers to Christ, with a corrupted word, however it does demonstrate how man in his satanic thought mind and his secret societies and councils are so very afraid of the power of Christ, that they will do everything they can to corrupt our Lord’s word. In Christ consciousness and with the Grace of God we are far more powerful than these silly secretive Wizzard of Oz types. Watch for the signs and synchronicities of the Holy Spirit, it will teach you all you need to know to become strong as a lion, rather than a pack animal like the Wolf !

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  17. Truth finder
    Mar 02, 2017 @ 20:08:24

    Luke 9:62 And Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God.
    I know was for the man that puts his hand on the plow and looks back is not fit for the kingdom of heaven…. Also the lords prayer didnt say debits. If you google search images for lords prayer the first at least ten images are of lords prayer, and most say on earth not in earth. And they all say tresspasses. And just type in Isaiha 11:6 and see how many pictures of lion and lamb appear compared to wolf and lamb. But yet lords prayer doesnt say tresspass in any bible. Also all bibles now say wolf dwell with lamb.

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  18. Dave
    Mar 07, 2017 @ 19:23:21

    I know one of the typesetters for the major KJV publishers & he told me he’s making these changes on purpose,has been for years, just to screw with people & see if anyone noticed. He’s shocked it took this long… lol

    Carry on… 😉

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    • Chuck
      May 05, 2017 @ 07:03:43

      Maybe so, but that doesn’t explain these changes to much used personal AKJV Bibles that are from the early ’70s, and a very old one printed in 1947.

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  19. rocki wahl
    Mar 18, 2017 @ 17:08:07

    Nkj and a lot of other versions say heavens but kj says heaven I always say heaven probably because I learned it on a older kj bible, I have heard a lot of bibles have changed it to (s) because it is a more accurate translation….the wine skins are the same way nkj says wine skins kj says bottles there is a #2 by bottles in my kj and the middle of the page the 2 says or wine skins…dont think if it was an so called mandala effect they would explain that it had changed

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    • truthfarmer
      Mar 23, 2017 @ 08:40:00

      The Hebrew word is plural. Shemayim. It was always heavens in KJV, and now it is heaven. Any Hebrew word ending in “im” like that indicates plurality, not singular. Talmidim is taught ones, Elohim is also plural.

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    • Michael Brown
      May 18, 2017 @ 02:39:16

      Bottles?! Why would the newer version use the older word and the older original version use the more modern word. Makes no sense, whatsoever!

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  20. Rebecca
    Mar 23, 2017 @ 05:18:27

    I am afraid. What do I do? I don’t know about all the others but I know with 100 % certainty it was lion abd not wolf. And wineskins not bottles. People don’t believe me. What is going on?

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    • truthfarmer
      Mar 23, 2017 @ 08:37:03

      I understand, but don’t be afraid, be aware. Think of it like energy vampires, the demons feed off the negative emotion of fear. When I first got all the scripture changes, I nearly had a panic attack. But then I realized that the changes couldn’t happen without YHVH allowing it to happen. And those changing the written word have condemned themselves to eternal separation from the Creator already. So He is still in control, we are just entering the time of the strong delusion.

      If what I think is happening is actually what is happening, we could be looking at a literal zombie apocalypse. And yes, that is scary, but build your faith. He will never leave you nor forsake you.

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    • Juli Pletcher
      Mar 26, 2017 @ 06:40:52

      Please don’t be scared! This is bit long abit long but let me help u some,,, One I just discovered this phenomenon a few days and my mind is blown.though i have not experienced it directly . Yet i believe something is going on . I belive people… and my gut tells me” something is not normal and there is something afoot”. I understand that because of the internet people are able to cross reference things now,., double check and discover natural normal misunderstandings of things they thought they knew. That is prob the case in some instances. Yet,, people are talking about seeing the words change in old bibles before their eyes and that is not something u see unless u are mentally ill or its actually happening. I am fascinated by this but not actually afraid,. Im researching now and will be reading bible. If the desired effect was to make me doubt the word its caused me to go tot he word instead. Now.,, i do believe that its POSSIBLE that words could be changed or be altered. through some kind of dark witchcraft most do not understand or from a hidden technology ( weird science) that is not currently known by the common people.Satan has altered the word to fit his purposes before. This is how he caused Adam and Eve to fall., He also misconstrued the proper meaning of the word of God to Jesus trying to get him to jump off a high point which prob would have resulted in his premature death. But It didn’t work but he tried anyway. Jesus himself said the religious people of his day ADDED things to the word when they were supposed to be teaching about the ways and laws of God. Back then it is doubtful everyone was literate and some prob had to depend on what others told them the ancient texts said much like the masses had to trust monks in the Dark ages. The book of Revelation speaks of warning about NOT taking away or adding to the the words of the prophecy( not verbatim). There is also something about when the antichrist arrives he will attempt to change times and seasons. Its reasonable to believe the spirit of antichrist even before he shows up will be at world to do this./ I think its highly possible some form of witchcraft is being deployed via CERN. I can’t prove it and have no real evidence but i have asked the Lord if there is any to show me if he will do so. The thing is to have a talking working relationship with the Holy Spirit. He inspired the words and he knows the true meaning.Depend upon him and trust. One good thing i have noticed is from the examples the changing of the words has not dramatically changed the base meaning. God may protect us from this going any further t minus a few switch of words. Its good though to be sure to get into the bible and read it as much as possible just in case this does worsen Also get some audios of the word being read,,but from credible sources.. One thing cant be changed is the fact if u are a Born Again Christian u have his Holy Spirit .He is the revealer of truth which is the word which is Jesus. Jesus is the word made flesh./ Do not fear,,, Remember what he said he has overcome the world!That for me includes the spirit of deception…… DO NOT FEAR!

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    • ANN CARLTON
      May 06, 2017 @ 10:23:08

      I WENT TO CHURCH AND ASKED SOME PEOPLE ABOUT THE WORD BOTTLES VERSUS WINESKINS AND THEY DIDN’T GET IT.I ASKED MY PASTOR AND SHE LOOKED THE VERSES I GAVE HER UP ON HER PHONE AND BECAUSE IT WAS WRITTEN BOTTLES,I GUESS SHE DIDN’T GET IT EITHER.I JUST DECIDED TO LEAVE IT ALONE BUT I KNOW THINGS AREN’T WHAT THEY USE TO BE.Sorry for caps,I’m really not yelling,lol

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    • Michael Brown
      May 18, 2017 @ 02:41:26

      Welcome to the club Becca! Very frustrating, huh?!

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  21. David
    Mar 24, 2017 @ 20:03:10

    I am 100% sure that Luke 19:27 KJV was “shew them before me” or in other words show them before me. I literally watched it change before my very eyes in a one week period back in 2015.

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  22. Coffin-Johnny
    Mar 27, 2017 @ 11:15:49

    You cannot quote interpretations of the bible. Always, the word has been interpreted. Hence, there are subtle differences within each interpretation. The new American version which Is the Catholic version of the Bible and remains the most complete bibke still has tesspassed and trespassers. It simply remains the same. No change. I examined a vast number of editions and the Catholic Bible remains true.

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  23. Barb
    Apr 02, 2017 @ 14:19:03

    One of my favorite bible versus has definitely changed. I typed it out and printed it off so I could bring it to remembrance and my own copy is not altered. Now it doesn’t make sense the way it is in the bible. It is Zephaniah 3:17. It is supposed to be: “Yahweh, your God, is in the midst of thee, a mighty one who will save. He will rejoice over thee with joy. He will calm thee in His love. He will rejoice over thee with singing.” Now it says: “The Lord thy God in the midst of thee is mighty; he will save, he will rejoice over thee with joy; he will rest in his love, he will joy over thee with singing.” They changed He will calm you to he will rest in his love.

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  24. Barb
    Apr 02, 2017 @ 14:35:49

    Genesis 3:15 always said “crush” not bruised in reference to the seed of the woman (Jesus) crushing Satan’s head.
    Here is one that is important to know we are to take heed of Paul’s words. From 2nd Thessalonians 2:2. “Now we beseech you brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, that ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of the Christ had come.” They have changed this to now read “is at hand” instead of “had come”. To me this is confirmation that we need to take heed because he emphasizes by spirit, word or letter and that was the case when it was written that the time had come but now the words are changed to make those who do not see the change believe that it is not near, I believe.
    We are in the dividing of times written of in Revelation. The beginning of the great delusion has begun but we need to take comfort in that the Lord is preserving the truth written on our hearts. Those that do not know the Lord in truth but only letter will be deceived I believe. May the Lord be with us all! It is time to trim our lamps and watch for He is coming to take us home and I do believe it will be for those who are waiting and watching.

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  25. truthfarmer
    Apr 02, 2017 @ 15:59:14

    Hey there. I hadn’t heard that one yet. Thanks…It is really important, and you are correct, it didn’t say “is at hand”. I think I remember “has come”, but in Matthew it says “had come”.

    Also, I agree with your assessment of the times we are now in. I think we may see what could best be described as a zombie apocalypse come to pass.

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  26. Mario Medina
    Apr 06, 2017 @ 00:21:13

    debunked

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    • truthfarmer
      Apr 06, 2017 @ 07:47:04

      It is not “debunked”.

      People who don’t get it are simply people who don’t get it. I think they are having their brains overwritten, and the technology is existent to do that. If that’s you, okay. If not, okay. It is a pretty scary thing to think someone or something can mess around with your memories.

      Or you can think you are in a parallel universe if you want. Since there is a tremendous amount of residual evidence that corroborates what many of us remember, I do not believe we are in a parallel universe.

      You believe what you want. But categorically, without examining all the evidence, claiming it is “debunked” is the heighth of ignorance and foolishness.

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    • Barb
      Apr 06, 2017 @ 19:37:51

      If you want to believe that Jesus only bruised the head of the serpent you go on ahead and believe that. The word written in heaven from the foundation of the world is Jeshua and not any written word. The letter killeth and it is the Spirit that giveth life. He writes the truth on our hearts not in head knowledge. You lie in that you think it is impossible to change the bible but Jesus warned those who would add to or take away from the word of this prophecy so He knew it was possible. He also said He would send a strong delusion that if it were possible it would deceive the very elect. You mock and accuse and make fun of this but you will have to give an answer some day. And Paul’s words to us were changed from “had come” to “is at hand”. Totally different things. Penny was never in the King James bible. I have studied the scriptures for a very long time. Some of the scriptures you are pointing out have not changed as you say but I can assure you that many have. When were pastors ever in scripture? It was always shepherds. When were “bottles” in KJV? They were always wineskins. When was bank ever used instead of exchangers? When did the Lord’s prayer ever say forgive us our debts? It was always trespasses. When was stuff a word in KJV instead of possessions? Shame on you for calling us deceivers. We care about the truth and we are not going to be told we are misremembering when we are not.

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      • CJ
        Apr 08, 2017 @ 22:44:15

        re: “pastor”/shepherd. You do know the word pastor literally means shepherd, right? It’s from the Latin noun… “pastor”. Think pastoral and pasture, or even pastoral care. Same root.

        As for the rest, my experience has been that most people who “study the Bible for years” hop between different translations all the time. It’s easy to get confused, and it’s very easy to get caught up on insignificant details (like shepherd/pastor, or debt/trespasses, which mean the same thing… that things being sin (debita)/sinner(debitoribus) in the Vulgate) because you’re not using the original languages but relying on translations. There’s the saying “lost in translation” for a reason.

        Would now be a good time to mention that the Catholic Church has a teaching magisterium that includes Tradition on how these things should be interpreted? Christ left us a wealth of resources when He left us the Church, there for the asking. (see http://fisheaters.com/challenge.html if you want more information about why Tradition is scriptural, and sola scriptura isn’t).

    • Gizmo
      May 02, 2017 @ 08:55:39

      “The days are coming,” declares the Sovereign LORD, “when I will send a famine through the land– not a famine of food or a thirst for water, but a famine of hearing the words of the LORD.
      ~ God will send them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie, in order that judgment will come upon all who have disbelieved the truth and delighted in wickedness.…

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    • Chuck
      May 05, 2017 @ 14:45:10

      I am saddened by his rebutal. He really didn’t get down to the core or “meat” of the issue much, which was taking a verse change and logically compare the two differences as to what makes more sense or more supports the doctrine of our (and his own) faith. It seems he spent more time on this video going off about CERN, Mandela effect logo changes, and actually making light of all this. I will at least give him credit in that …at least he “seems” honest and sure of himself when he actually makes the statement “it always said wolf”.

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  27. CJ
    Apr 08, 2017 @ 22:30:12

    Re: debts/debtor. This is actually a reflection of the Vulgate Latin, which was the primacy text used for many centuries for translation. (“Et dimitte nobis *debita* nostra,sicut et nos dimittimus *debitoribus* nostris:”)

    The Lord’s Prayer (“Pater Noster” in Latin) that we recite in English is actually a terrible translation, because it’s complicated history is wrapped up in the politics of the English Reformation. If you look at the literal translations for other languages, it actually represents the original language much better.

    Another reason why it’s better to deal with the source documents if you’re going to do this sort of thing instead of relying on venacular/service language.

    As for the rest, I seems obvious to me that it’s due to translator bias and/or you misremembering things. Unless you use the KJV 1611 EXCLUSIVELY in all your reading, all sermons you listen to, and never have exposure to other translations, you probably got exposed to other variants and translations which is why you’re not remembering things correctly. For comparaison, you should try comparing some of your sections to the Douay-Rheims version, which slightly predates the KJV. For example, your quote at Matthew 9:17 also is translated “bottles” in the D-R. Either way, it doesn’t substantially change the message in any of the quotes you give.

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  28. Barb
    Apr 08, 2017 @ 23:51:21

    I know what was in the King James Version that I have read for years. I have read some other translations as well but 90% of my scripture study was with the KJV and I am not mixing any translations on this. The point you are trying to make is that the changed words do not change the message is missing the point in that they were supernaturally changed from their original. In addition, many of the changes actually do change the message. Changing the crushing of the serpent’s head to just bruising takes away the finished work of Jeshua so it is an abomination.
    I’m sorry but you really need to do some research on the Catholic Church if you are willing to. I used to be one and am glad the Lord called me out of it. For a good start Google the Vatican Throne.

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    • Michael Brown
      May 18, 2017 @ 03:05:39

      Don’t sweat him Barb! He is most likely one of “them.” There is always at least one, deceiving and being deceived.

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    • Michael Brown
      May 18, 2017 @ 03:06:56

      Don’t sweat him Barb! He is most likely one of “them.” There is always at least one, deceiving and being deceived. _Be blessed darlin…Stay strong in the Lord!

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  29. Gareth
    Apr 11, 2017 @ 07:32:28

    First off, you are not reading a 1611 KJV. The 1611 bible is far different from the KJV used today.
    Now if you start believing that God’s word can be changed and text altered anytime Satan or humans wish how can you trust any of it? If one thing can be altered all of it can. Why not take out the resurrection or have Jesus proclaim that he is not the messiah?
    God’s ability to preserve HIS word is a core foundational belief, if you take it away you open up a whole slew of arguments that can tear away at any doctrine of the bible. A word may have changed from revisions but the central message is the same.

    Finally, no, it never said lion shall lay down with the lamb. The word lion appears directly after when it says the lion shall chew grass. This is just an example of people being too stubborn to admit their wrong that they will cling to any kind of nonsense to try and be right.

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    • truthfarmer
      Apr 11, 2017 @ 08:33:15

      Gareth, the Word that cannot be changed is not the written scriptures. If that were the case, there would be NO TRANSLATIONS. Get it? The Word that CANNOT be changed is Yeshua ha Maschiach, (Jesus) and clearly Jesus as a name isn’t even a translation as there is no ‘j’ sound in Hebrew still today. So that in itself is changed. Your assertion is completely fallacious.

      The scriptures have been changed, and I am very familiar with 1611 and KJV, not so familiar with the NKJV, I even pointed out where a great number of people asserted changes in the KJV when it is the KJV 1611 they are referencing and in that translation, a lot of the strange words were not actually changes.

      Yet, the words on the pages of Bibles on your shelf are changing whether you like it or not and whether you remember or not. It’s not comfortable, but it is real. No where does YHVH instruct you to worship a translation of the scriptures. And no where are translations of scriptures put above the Word.

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      • Gareth
        Apr 11, 2017 @ 09:47:10

        The only reason the words on bibles change are from revision. Yes you’re right there is no J sound in hebrew, but translated the name Yeshua becomes Jesus (technically in English it becomes Joshua) and that change was not made by time travel or alternate dimensions but by translators who used their language rather than hebrew ( which by the way the new testament was not written in hebrew but in greek)

        This is an argument I often hear from atheists that the bible has been changed over time, in some cases yes it has but it has never been altered in any meaningful way to affect any core doctrine.

    • Barb
      Apr 11, 2017 @ 10:45:31

      Okay Gareth, in all of your studies, please tell your interpretation of Genesis 3:15 and Romans 16:20. Did Jesus crush or did he bruise the head of Satan? If I bruise my enemy he can recover but if I crush him he is defeated. How can bruise be any proper translation used to describe crushing? Those scriptures alone take away the very work of the Messiah, don’t you see? In the volume of the book it is written of Me, Jesus said. He fulfills the scriptures but He is not the scriptures and those who know Him in Spirit and Truth from the beginning when He was crucified from the foundation of the world and manifested in due time 2,000 years ago for us see the completed work accomplished in Him and not in the letter. The scriptures do explain this in Daniel 7:25 “And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.” We are in this dividing of times somehow and changing of the laws as well but those who know Him will not be deceived. As it is also written in Matthew 24:24 “For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.” This means that IF it were possible even the very elect shall be deceived but it is not for those whom He knows. I’m only in prayer and hope that anyone who is looking will see that these things are truly happening and in great fear for those who do not see it because it is, in fact, the working of Satan who wants to take away from the hearts of the people what Jeshua has accomplished. More so, it is the Lord who sends this great delusion and He can blind whom He wills. If you know Him then please ask Him to show you what we are saying and do not trust in written documents or interpretations but rather in His Spirit who leads us into all truth.

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      • Gareth
        Apr 11, 2017 @ 11:27:53

        The prophecy in Genesis is a prophecy about the death and resurrection of Christ. Satan bruises the foot but can not kill Christ forever. Likewise while Jesus’ ressurection has hurt or bruised Satan he is not actually destroyed until after the 1000 year reign is over, so in context Jesus is not crushing, though personally I don’t think it is overly important which is used.

        Like in Isiah 7:14, is the correct word Virgin or Young maiden? In context of the time period most would assume a young maiden was a virgin.

        If this is what you people chose to hold to fine, but think about this. If not for the written Word of God you don’t trust how would you ever have known about how to get saved in the first place.
        Anyway good luck and God bless.

  30. truthfarmer
    Apr 11, 2017 @ 12:44:41

    Gareth, you are not understanding this. In no way are any believers advocating people stop reading scripture. Quite the opposite is true.

    Barb, thank you for what you said. I want to emphasize your last sentence:

    If you know Him then please ask Him to show you what we are saying and do not trust in written documents or interpretations but rather in His Spirit who leads us into all truth.

    Hallelujah!

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  31. Barb
    Apr 11, 2017 @ 17:05:40

    Okay Gareth, if Jesus, while breathing his last, stated, “It is finished”, what did He mean? This is where we must walk by faith and not by sight. Just as Jesus was crucified from the foundation of the world and the prophets of old walked in that faith, not counting this world as their home, but looked for another, they were accounted righteous for their faith even though Jesus did not manifest His work until 2,000 years ago. Likewise, though the devil has been defeated, there remains the time of manifestation in this world as yet. The church (His bride) is His body and He is the head of the body. While His head (Or authority) and by faith, His entire being, is resurrected, His heel is still being bruised as she is manifesting the finished work of Him on the earth. Just as it is written that before Zion was ever in labor she brought forth a Son. God does not live inside time although He ever is with us but is before all things.

    I love the scriptures and am most certainly not advocating to not consult them but please keep in mind what Paul said in Romans 1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith. 18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. 20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse.

    I pray sincerely that we grow closer to Him who loves us with an everlasting love.

    Thank you Truthfarmer for your website. May God bring righteous fruit for your labors. All glory to our everlasting Father and Jesus, our Messiah!

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  32. Tom
    May 02, 2017 @ 16:25:01

    Hey brother, I have a new one…now or laters are now now and laters candy. Lord come quickly.

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  33. Chuck
    May 04, 2017 @ 10:59:52

    It is ironic and hypocritical to say the printed Word of God (KJV) cannot change in print before your eyes (supposedly because God wouldn’t allow it), but then defend what it is saying now. Case in point: the word “virgin” vs. “young maiden” or “young woman”. I KNOW for a fact that it said “virgin” because I studied this and other verses when I was doing Bible version verse comparisons in the past. This verse was one of the main “proofs” which ultimately solidified for me that the KJV was the trusted version to go with. A young woman or young maiden IS NOT necessarily always a “virgin”. You can assume it, but how do you know for sure? You can’t know for sure, which leaves room for “doubt”. By changing the word(s) they have changed the intended meaning, and if the meaning is questionable, then how could we ever know for certain that Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit without the actual seed of an earthly male? The translators used the word “virgin” because he wanted us to know without a shadow-of-a-doubt that he in fact WAS conceived by the Holy Spirit and not from an earthly male.

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  34. Chuck
    May 04, 2017 @ 11:22:01

    I don’t mean to be harsh by any means, and I love all of you, I really do. God has shown me that he has created us all differently, we think differently, and see things in different perspectives (such as seeing a glass half-full or half-empty) and that is a very good thing, but that is why the KJV I know and love was so specific in its detail especially when it came to validating critical points of doctrine and other versions were not and left room for less detail or doubt. ….and this is just one verse. There are many subtle (and not-so-subtle) changes throughout the KJV now that I personally recognize…..NOT A CHANGE FROM RE-PRINTING, but literal changes and omissions to verses in our old existing Bibles we study from and know in our mind said something else.

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    • Chuck
      May 05, 2017 @ 07:44:37

      By the way, if you’re wondering about my avatar image, ….no, I am no prophet and don’t ever claim to be a prophet at all. I just thought this image was cool. It is the logo for the name of a musical keyboard instrument made by Sequential Circuits/Dave Smith Instruments whose products I have used in the past.

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  35. Chuck
    May 04, 2017 @ 11:40:21

    Lastly, for those of you who think that the Word of God is lost (because it changed in print due to forces unseen) and because of this, you might be inclined to think that God is a liar and can’t be trusted now……..guess what? We all need to “wake up” and lean not on our own understanding of the situation. God promised us that his Word will never pass away. Some believe this is referring only to the “person” of Jesus, and/or to the Word of God hidden in the hearts of men. I believe it is, but I am bold enough to believe that it will also be preserved physically in this realm as well. The Lord says if you seek me with all your heart you will find me. Look around, as sites like Quantum Warriors ( https://www.quantumeffectconcerningscriptures.net ) and others may being raised up by the Lord to do just that.

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    • truthfarmer
      May 04, 2017 @ 11:59:50

      That may be correct. A verse I quoted in a lengthy email concerning Passover and why the spreading of blood on door posts is no longer to be done (both in Torah and solidified by Yeshua (Jesus) being the last and ONLY sacrifice for salvation) has since disappeared. It was in Deuteronomy or Leviticus and was YHVH saying “the blood is mine” or “the blood belongs to me.”. No longer is that said in any of the dozen or so translations we have here. Not in my email either. So, if the scriptures are to be physically preserved, I believe they must be physically written down by hand.

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      • Chuck
        May 05, 2017 @ 07:29:48

        I had not thought about that, but you are absolutely correct from looking at it from a quantum perspective. One does not know how the history of a typeset printed book would change, but anything written-out by a true servant of the Lord writing it all out by “hand” would be much less likely to be affected by this effect. That was a wonderful insight. Thank you Truthfarmer 🙂

      • Sharon Reis
        May 05, 2017 @ 14:57:13

        I am sorry to tell you, but handwriting as well does change because of this Quantum/Mandela effect. I have seen proof of it. The way I am tracking and recording the changes to Scripture on my website, has less risk of changing because the Book, Chapter & Verse is separate from the actual text of the verse.
        My website: Quantum Effect Concerning Scriptures: https://quantumeffectconcerningscriptures.net

  36. truthfarmer
    May 05, 2017 @ 17:25:50

    Wow. Do you have a link to a change from something someone remembers writing out by hand? I’ve not seen that in the effect before.

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    • Sharon Reis
      May 06, 2017 @ 20:40:05

      Unfortunately, the lady who has the category bible that she wrote out and has since changed, was very upset when she saw that it was changed and has cut ties with the women she had sent it to.

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      • truthfarmer
        May 07, 2017 @ 06:21:03

        I don’t understand what a “category” bible is?
        So, a lady had written out scriptures by hand, they hadn’t changed with the effect. Then she sent the manuscript (for lack of a better word) to another person, and then the handwriting changed to the effected version?

        So sloppy AI pretending to be all powerful gain, huh?

    • Sharon Reis
      May 14, 2017 @ 14:32:15

      You have a TROLL in the midst. kategladstone, she does not believe in the scriptures being changed supernaturally. She TROLLS websites who have anything to do with the Mandela Effect and tries to convince the members that the changes are not happening. She works as a double agent.

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  37. boom
    May 06, 2017 @ 20:04:36

    Actual photos of a bible that has not been changed. http://www.iabhorcern.org/kjv-changes

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  38. boom
    May 07, 2017 @ 00:47:54

    Maybe I don’t understand, did you make that website? I just looked at it, Luke 17:34-35 says on the bible page photo “Two people” …I am still seeing them correctly. Strange.

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  39. boom
    May 07, 2017 @ 07:53:47

    Thank you!

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  40. Joshua David Blank
    May 08, 2017 @ 17:36:29

    Acts 27 & 28 – Paul claims an angel to be his god (KJV). “For there shall arise false christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.”

    No better way to deceive then to alter the physical reality through quantum entanglement via Quantum computers.

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  41. Troy
    May 08, 2017 @ 20:41:57

    So I posted last fall and no one got back to my question. Also, I couldn’t find my post either so I’m not sure if it got deleted… My question was why does it seem to be so heavily aimed at the KJV only? My assumption is that the 1611 cover page gives clues. When you look at the evidence, this translation was heavily steeped in Rosicrucianism. I believe that the dark weight surrounding the KJV is what has allowed it to now be a translation of deception. Anyone else have thoughts to why only this translation? Here’s a good article to start your own research on the king’s translation. http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/k1001.cfm

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    • truthfarmer
      May 10, 2017 @ 11:19:10

      I didn’t delete your comment, but never saw it.

      As an answer, I would say because the KJV is the most used translation and there are a lot of people who have been taught that the KJV is the -only- translation to use.

      I would like to point out that there are a lot of things that go across all translations that are changes. But yes, KJV is most affected. I also don’t think that it is profitable, especially at this time, to get into conversations about why this or that translation is best. At this point, the thing to do is to really seek after YHVH and ask for His words to be planted firmly in your heart so that you are not deceived.

      Sorry no one answered you earlier, Troy.

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      • Troy
        May 12, 2017 @ 10:48:10

        I agree whole heartedly that it is a waste of time to argue about translations; however, there is something very dark imbedded in the KJV when you research it’s origin and perhaps this truth that I’m pointing out may help a person to further the devorce from Babylon in these last of days before Yeshua’s return. May we strive towards our Father’s holiness through Yeshua.

  42. Chuck
    May 10, 2017 @ 07:48:21

    I have heard and even talked with those who I believe are very “well-meaning” brothers and sisters in Christ who I believe are very sincere in their holding to the KJV as the bible version of choice (and I believe it is as well), as it more accurately details & supports major points of the doctrine of our faith and does not “water it down”, change it, or cause confusion like the other versions of the bible do. God does promise in the scriptures that his word is pure and shall never pass away.
    I BELIEVE THIS AS WELL. However, please be on the alert as to “how far” you take this……not just because many of us have recognized “unbelieveable” and “seemingly unreal” changes to verses that WE HAVE MEMORIZED, but because…..many of these changes are “not subtle”, make no sense, and water-down or even contradict basic points of doctrine….or even plain common sense. CASE IN POINT: Ecclesiastes 10:19 reads “A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all things”. OK, …this is not subtle at all. HELLO….WAKE UP PEOPLE! ….if you can’t see what’s wrong here, there is a “marvelous blindness” upon you, because ….MONEY DOES “NOT” ANSWER ALL THINGS!!!!!! ….and is a contradiction to many other verses in scripture that speak against trusting in riches and the love of money. Money is NOT the answer to ALL THINGS. Money can’t buy happiness, health for those that are terminally ill, the love of others, (or more importantly) …the love or salvation of God. …..and don’t tell me that God would “never” allow his word to change (in this case, the ink on paper) and that I am misunderstanding what the verse here is saying and I am interpreting it wrong. REALLY??? WAKE UP!!! MONEY DOES NOT ANSWER ALL THINGS!!!

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    • Chuck
      May 11, 2017 @ 13:22:37

      Now I “admit” to not knowing this verse or having it memorized prior. That is beside the point, you see. The verse does not make sense in its literal statement. I have even gone online to do research on what others propose this verse means. Sadly, many people and bible teachers have stated that it is just “misunderstood” and has to be 1) taken into the context that it was intended for in the book it was written in (yes I understand this, but that’s not the case here), or that 2) we are “interpreting” the verse wrong and that it actually means something else. Now even though it is true that we don’t take everything that is written in the bible “literally” (again, depending on the “context” it is used in), ….the point is that God is not the author of confusion. Say what you will, but guess what? In the same research, many others have also used this verse (the way it is stated now) to reinforce their own views or concepts of prosperity. But you see, if you look at this verse, it is also making an “absolute” statement, “…but money answereth all things”, and the reader will take it that way.

      By the way, many people have reported that they remember the verse reading:

      Eccl 10:19; A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but by the one and the other money is wasted.

      ….now that makes more sense, the “whole sentence” is being used as a single statement, but most of all….I don’t find this confusing at all, AND (most importantly), it doesn’t contradict other verses in scripture concerning wealth and money.

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  43. Chuck
    May 10, 2017 @ 09:04:28

    It is presumptuous to determine or say HOW God will preserve his Word. Many well-meaning Christians believe that all the printed KJV bibles are “pure” and can never change, but remember that it is ink typeset on paper. If God so chooses to allow it, it has always been entirely possible for someone to “change” the words and “re-print” a counterfeit KJV bible and deceive others. We know (and hope) that the major publishers would never do this, BUT ….I am just saying that is just a possible scenario in the “physical” realm. Now take it up a notch. Is it possible that bibles already printed are changing or can change by un-natural, supernatural, or any other means we can’t see or don’t understand? In my case, based on the evidence of my own eyes, memory, and logic (the brain, intellect, reasoning, and will that God gave and endowed me with), I would have to say a big YES, because I can’t refute what I see now from what I either know in my mind from the past, or from what actually makes more sense according to our doctrine of the faith. However, back to the first sentence, ….I DO BELIEVE God will keep and preserve his pure Holy Word, maybe not according to the way you or I assume or think he will, but HE WILL. Try to lean not on your own understanding of the situation, but trust and have faith in God’s and his promises anyway. At the same time, use the brain that God gave you. He expects you not to walk blindly in everything, and to discern things on your own in many instances. How do you handle all this? By (first of all) sincerely PRAYING to the Lord in Jesus name for discernment and to not be deceived, and that He (his Holy Spirit) would reveal the truth to you in all things. Secondly, keep an “open mind” about this whole issue concerning bible word/verse changes, and if you happen to see something as you read or study your bible that just doesn’t seem right or really hits you the wrong way, bear down on it and find out why. I guarantee you that there are plenty of others that are seeing the same thing as well.

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  44. Shawn Nieves
    May 14, 2017 @ 07:48:33

    We all need to find a way to mark the changes, and keep track of what we remember so that future generations will know the truth. We may need to write in a way which will be difficult to erase using natural materials. Think papyrus. Or marble and stone will do. It might help preserve the truth.

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    • Sharon Reis
      May 14, 2017 @ 12:46:01

      I am already doing that on my website: Quantum Effect Concerning Scriptures https://quantumeffectconcerningscriptures.net
      The way I am recording the changes is less risk of them changing. Please check out my website, register and activate your membership. Then you can see what all we have recorded which is:
      Scriptures
      2869 Confirmed Verses
      2354 Verse Changes

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    • kategladstone
      May 14, 2017 @ 13:34:28

      Since Isaiah 11:6 has “wolf”‘in the Dead Sea Scrolls copy (handwritten on parchment), why do you think that writing it in some “olden days” way would make a difference?

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      • Sharon Reis
        May 14, 2017 @ 14:27:45

        Why are you here Kate Gladstone. You are nothing but a TROLL. You do not even believe that the scriptures are being changes supernaturally. You TROLL all the sites that have anything to do with the Mandela Effect. I have the proof!

  45. Stephen
    May 16, 2017 @ 17:48:34

    So many more changes now, Mal 4:2, “Son of righteousness” is now spelled, “Sun of righteousness.” John 8:22 now suggests that Jesus was suicidal. Isaiah 3:18-20 now mentions tires and mufflers. John 1:41 now says “Messias” instead of “Messiah.” Ha bukuk now says that God has horns coming out of His hand….etc. Not to mention that in Luke 19, Jesus now calls for the murder of His enemies before Him! We are very close to the Lord’s return…..closer than we think!!!

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  46. Victor Nzemeka
    May 22, 2017 @ 23:07:03

    Mathew 2kjv read ten virgins but good News translation read ten girls. I think virgin is a different thing from a mere girl who may not be a virgin. Am confused.

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    • Chuck
      May 24, 2017 @ 07:38:22

      Don’t be confused, and yes, there is a BIG difference. …like I stated above in this blog, I dealt with this issue just comparing differences in bible translations 30 years ago, with the different versions on a table, and seeing these changes physically in front of me. the KJV and some others always said “virgin”, where many other versions said, “young woman”. Other versions purposely water-down the intended meaning so there is “speculation”, doubt, and you have to assume an “intended” meaning. With the versions that say “virgin”, you do not have to speculate or figure it out. The primary definition for “virgin” means one thing…..a woman who has NOT had sexual intercourse with a man (or vice-versa).

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  47. Chuck
    May 24, 2017 @ 08:36:31

    I love you brother, and I respect that you are a studied rabbinical teacher, but If what you are saying here is true, then God himself is a liar, because there are a myriad of “old testament” bible prophecies pointing directly to Jesus/Yeshua not just as the Messiah or a “perfect man”, but as God himself. A prophet of God (whether in the old testament, or even in the world today) has to be 100% accurate or he is not a true prophet of God, and the chances of one man fulfilling all these prophecies is “more than astronomical” and you should know this.

    Throughout scripture, most every attribute that was used to describe God was also used to describe the coming Messiah. New testament scripture declares Yeshua as the “Alpha and Omega”, the “Word of God”, who was not only “with God”, but “was God”. The prophet Isaiah in the old testament in describing the coming Messiah proclaimed that he would be called, …the “everlasting Father” (really? how can this be?) Jesus/Yeshua said himself, “I and the Father are one”. Jesus is NOT a “wooden replica/idol” of God, …a man who just happened to appear to live a perfect life. He either 1) a lunatic, 2) a liar or great deceiver, or 3) in fact ….God himself, which scripture throughout (old testament and new testament) declares as such. He was crucified and put to death for so-called blasphemy just because he said he was the messiah and for no other reason. Guess what? He was dead for 3 days, but then rose from the dead ….alive again and was seen by hundreds of witnesses, not for a brief fleeting few minutes, but for over a month. If you know your history, you know that the Jewish leaders wanted to make sure that his body wouldn’t be taken from that tomb so Roman soldiers were assigned to guard it for a period of time. The “seal of Rome” was put on the stone sealing the tomb. If that seal was broken, the Roman soldiers guarding it could be put to death. The main tenants of God are not mysteries that are hidden or only discovered by a choice few. The truth is that they are written in each one of our hearts as well as scripture. God says to us if that we seek him with all of our heart that we will find him (he will reveal himself to us).

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    • truthfarmer
      May 24, 2017 @ 18:11:09

      Chuck, he is a complete and total liar. I will not allow any more of his comments on here.

      One thing I have learned is that people who are out of their minds have more time than I do to create havoc. I won’t tolerate it.

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  48. Sollog Immanuel Adonai-Adoni
    May 24, 2017 @ 16:24:32

    ~ After visiting this guy’s site, and reading two of his posts on here, I cannot give any space to his view points. He’s really off, and spreading dangerous, especially for the time we are in, misinformation. So, while I don’t mind opposing viewpoints, I do mind dangerous lies and cannot -in good conscience- provide a venue for those. Thank you for understanding. TF

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    • truthfarmer
      May 24, 2017 @ 18:09:34

      I’m going to ask you nicely ONE TIME ONLY.
      Cease and desist.You are in grave error, and you are not going to be allowed to spread your garbage here. I will not provide a venue for you. So move on and find some other place to spout your error.

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