Cannabis Legalization on Missouri Ballot: Two Paths from Which to Choose…Freedom, or Feudalism?

Cannabis Legalization on Missouri Ballot:

Two Paths from Which to Choose…Freedom, or Feudalism?

©Doreen Hannes

(((Look, I want to be very clear here. I don’t even use cannabis, because it IS illegal, and the seizure aspects are waaaay too high of a price to consider for something I would only rarely do if it were indeed legal….so I am not trying to get protections for my habit in position.)))

Over the course of the past few months I’ve been doing a fair amount of investigation on the issue of cannabis and various efforts to legalize the plant for the general benefit of humanity. Initially, I looked at the issue of legalizing cannabis as a simple matter of civil liberties with a massive pseudo criminal front propped up by drug court fees, seizure laws, probation and the expenses paid to the system in that, cheap prison labor and increased family court revenues due to foster care and custody issues…And yes, it also incidentally had benefits for people with serious medical issues.

Honestly, I have had a complete paradigm shift. Complete.

Not that the prison industry complex and costs to society associated with those issues are irrelevant, but there is a much larger, and much more evil truth about the control of cannabis that absolutely must become common knowledge. It’s particularly important that those who largely identify with conservative and Christian principles, or strong Constitutionalist ideologies become fully aware of the collusion between government and corporations to remove a beneficial plant from our access. Cannabis actually heals. And it restores life to people who are very ill. Hundreds of studies show this to be true, and also that cannabis is tremendously beneficial for our overall health.

The reason this has come to the forefront for many of us is that it is becoming increasingly difficult to hold to the idea that “Reefer Madness” has any basis in fact. It simply isn’t factual. Sometimes there are people that use cannabis that are just literally criminals and have no regard for their fellow man. These same criminals may also consume carrots, but the carrots are not the cause of their deficient characters. With or without cannabis, these people would be violent. Cannabis does not cause crime. Violent cartels exist because of cannabis being illegal. So in effect, the only violence that can truly be attributed to cannabis is state sanctioned violence through unjust laws. Simply put, the controls on this plant are the reason for violence associated with the plant or it’s distribution.

The tipping point on the truth around cannabis being put into the status of a Schedule One controlled substance (the Schedule One designation means it has NO medicinal value) has been achieved among the people. For those who have some qualms about whether or not this plant needs to be flatly legalized, please watch this video about Rick Simpson oil. This man has given people -as in freely given- cannabis oil, and they have been cured of all manners of disease including multiple types of cancer and terminal cancer. If you watch that video and still have any uncertainty left in you, watch this video, and forgive the one instance of yelling at the very beginning. The facts are that corporate interests paid to have cannabis categorized as a Schedule One controlled substance. Corporate interests, violent cartels, the prison industry and tyrannical seizure laws fattening the wallets of a few, have been the only beneficiaries of cannabis control.

Multitudes of people have died from being denied the best thing on earth to beat cancer. And the people in the corporations, the politicians that continue to be bought off from taking right action, and the pharmaceutical companies, are complicit in their deaths. Yes, I said complicit. The facts are in. Cannabis prohibition must end and will end very soon. Just look at this list of the plethora of studies that show the benefits of cannabis in treating human ailments. There are hundreds of studies on the effectiveness of cannabis, not just in treating symptoms of disease, but actually curing the disease in many instances. It can’t be covered up any longer. However, we do have some questions that we need to answer for ourselves as we move forward on cannabis.

The first question is whether or not we are happy with the current state of controlled and declining health and access to alternative/natural treatments? Currently, the FDA -who took 30 years to admit that vitamin C is helpful in thwarting the common cold- is in control of our food and our medicine. On average, FDA approved medications kill 100,000 people per year. Those are their own reports on the FDA’s website. The FDA has stated they are justified in exercising authority to control what we consume because the Almighty gave commands on dietary laws in Scripture. They think they have as much authority as the Creator of the Universe. Seriously. Check it out here. (page 26 of 30)The FDA also holds the position that “raw milk is inherently dangerous and should never be consumed by any one for any reason.” Never mind the fact that if that were a true statement, there would never have been a second generation of human beings.

Honestly, I could go on for a full-length book about the criminal behavior of the FDA in relation to our food and medicines, but I’ll restrain myself. Just watch network tv for one night, count up the recalls and suits being advertised along with all the new medications you should talk to your doctor about, then ask yourself if you think they are doing work that is truly beneficial for humanity. If you can truthfully say that you are pleased with the quality of our nutrition, not knowing whether or not you are consuming genetically modified organisms, and the health care system in this country, then you need do nothing. If you are not satisfied with the status quo of chronic pain, disease and debilitation, and lack of personal control, then it’s time to do things differently.

The next series of questions we must answer is what kind of business model “We the People” want to follow as we end prohibition on this plant? Do we want to stick with the controlled access, medical industrial cartel dialectic, where production, distribution, and access are licensed and heavily regulated, and keep fascism growing? Or do we want to seek free market enterprise and let everyone who is interested put their own money on the line and succeed or fail on their own merits? Have layers of bureaucrats proven themselves to be beneficial to our literal wellbeing? Do we think we personally should have the ability and choice to make decisions about what we consume? Or do we believe the bureaucrats, paper pushers and corporations have proven themselves to have a legitimate and beneficial hand in securing our health?

Once we’ve answered these questions to our satisfaction, then we must decide how we move forward on the issue of cannabis legalization and access. In Missouri, we will have two very different initiatives on the ballot in 2016 for a proposed Constitutional amendment.

Since I’m from the Show Me state, and these two initiatives are responsible for bringing me to the paradigm shift I mentioned above, I bring you “The Tale of Two Initiatives”. One is very short and flatly legalizes it. The other is 4 pages of small print and proposes to regulate cannabis within the Constitution of the state.

From that short overview, it is very likely that those who know me have already determined which initiative has won my support. But it’s necessary for everyone to make up their own minds about this, so the remainder of this rather lengthy article is going to focus on the nuts and bolts of these two initiatives. Other states have similar proposals in position.

Let’s deal with the short one first. This initiative, identified as 2016-013, was written by Mark Pedersen formerly of the Kansas City NORML group. Even many major proponents of legalizing cannabis have said it was too radical. Notably, the national level of the KC group that worked with Pedersen, NORML (the National Organization for Reform of Marijuana Laws) is reported to be the biggest opponent of this initiative. We’ll have to deal with the reasons behind NORML opposing this amendment in a subsequent article. For now, we’ll just look at the “radical” amendment first and talk about possible pros and cons related to it.

2016-013 is currently being circulated for the collection of signatures to get onto the 2016 November ballot. It proposes to remove cannabis from the controlled substances list. It doesn’t place limits on the amount one person may possess or grow. It also doesn’t have any age limits set within the confines of the proposed amendment to the Constitution. It secures the right of people to grow enough for their personal use and prevents extra regulatory controls on farmers and processors of all cannabis products, including all strains, cannabis sativa, cannabis indica, cannabis ruderalis, and crosses of these cannabis strains. It prohibits the mere presence of cannabis and cannabis products from serving as cause to charge with impaired driving. And I do admit that it does indeed seem radical on its face. But let’s examine the issues so we can make determinations with solid information.

First up, let’s look at the “radical” idea of not limiting the amount that an individual may grow. This is terrifically important. If you watched the Rick Simpson “Run From the Cure” video I linked earlier, you are aware that a single full treatment for cancer or serious health issues requires a pound of cannabis. The oil from the plant is extracted and a pound will render about 2 ounces of oil. It’s a lot of cannabis. What’s more, if a person has received chemo or radiation, they will need at least 2 full protocols of the cannabis oil to fully heal. It can take a lot of plants to get those amounts of cannabis. The street value of a single treatment amount bought by the ounce is about $4800.00 right now. If you can get the entire pound and buy it all at once you might be able to get a discount and get it as low as $3400. Is that too high of a price to cure cancer? Certainly not, but what if you don’t have $3400 to $4800? Does your ability to pay for a treatment make you worthy of having it? Conversely, does the inability to pay make you a less valuable human being? If there aren’t limits placed on the number of plants one may have, it opens the door for people to be better able to heal themselves and to take personal responsibility for their own well being.

Next let’s look at the thing that really struck me personally about the 2016-013 initiative. There is no age limit set forth for possessing or using cannabis. I thought that was pretty over the top, and I told the people who contacted me about the initiative that it was my opinion that it needed an age limit. They made some pretty good arguments against it. One of those arguments was very basic from a freedom advocate’s point of view. The age of majority isn’t stipulated in the Bill of Rights. Also, it isn’t a static thing. It is 21 for some things and 18 for other things and it isn’t something that should be ensconced in our Constitution to secure a right. Even more importantly, in light of the healing potential of cannabis oil, would anyone with any compassion in them want to prohibit a parent faced with a seriously ill child from being able to help that child? I wouldn’t. It would be unconscionable to put anyone in that position, and instead run them through a bureaucratic and medical industrial complex maze to do what every parent must do to be right in the eyes of their Creator and provide for the child help in a time of trouble. Also, it is emphatically evident that parents have a duty to protect their children from ingesting things that they shouldn’t be ingesting. If you are going to have cannabis in the house, you have to be responsible and not allow your children to use it on their own. In other words, BE A PARENT!

Next let’s take an actual look at the issue of THC in the system and driving under the influence. THC being present in the system is simply not at all equal to impairment. Yes, THC is the psychoactive chemical in cannabis, but its presence within a person’s system doesn’t mean that the person is impaired. It isn’t like blood alcohol content, in that a person could have high levels of THC in their system, but still not be impaired. If someone is using cannabis to treat themselves for health reasons, THC will be high, but they are not likely to be impaired if they have been following a protocol for any length of time at all. There is a lot of science behind this fact, and it is important to look at the science and make logical decisions about THC as opposed to emotional decisions predicated on a faulty basis. In no way shape or form am I saying that you cannot be impaired by cannabis consumption. You certainly can be impaired. That impairment would be evident in a motor skills test that was video taped and witnessed by at least two witnesses. Whether people like it or not, that would be evidence of impairment, but THC levels are not a credible assessment of impairment.

Here is an excerpt from a paper on this issue:

A study using coordination testing showed inevitable failure on field sobriety testing if blood THC levels were 25 to 30 ng/ml. But, many failed testing at 90 and 150 minutes after smoking even though plasma concentrations were rather low. The researchers had the foresight to conclude that “establishing a clear relation between THC plasma concentrations and clinical impairment will be much more difficult than for alcohol”. This is because alcohol and THC are chemically different and are metabolized differently inside the body.

Now we are ready to take a look at the “Show Me Cannabis” (aka Mo NORML) initiative proposition.

First off, this initiative, 2016-009, isn’t being circulated for signatures yet because the proponents of the initiative have reportedly “gone back to the drawing board”. However, it is available from the Missouri Secretary of State’s office at this link. I have put in a couple of emails asking for a conversation with the gentleman heading up this initiative and have received no replies, so I cannot relate any responses to questions I have regarding this initiative.

In the first sentence, this initiative is providing for regulatory control of cannabis to Missourians over the age of 21. It stipulates that regulations are to be promulgated for many purposes. Here are a few of those. Promulgate regulations to allow for state licensed producers, retailers, and distributors of cannabis. It states that revenue generated by cannabis will be used to fund police and firefighter pensions and retirement plans as well as elementary and secondary schools. That the revenue will be used to prevent: the establishment of cartels, under age 21 use, and to prevent advertising cannabis to those under the age of 21. It allows for households to grow up to six plants, have up to 16 ounces of dried cannabis, or 20 ounces of liquid cannabis. It proposes to expunge nonviolent cannabis convictions. Also to require a person to get a license to purchase, sell, manufacture, deliver or process cannabis. It requires the labeling of the THC content on all cannabis products, and provides for limitation on the level of THC allowed in cannabis that may be sold. It provides for a 25% excise tax on the first “fair market sale” of all marijuana….And more. Lots more, actually.

Let’s start with the 25% excise tax on the first “fair market sale” of any cannabis. Well, right there we have a problem. “Fair market sale” is defined in this proposed amendment as “means with respect to the sale of a product, a sale in which the purchase price of the product is not less than the price that a willing seller would accept and a willing buyer would pay in the open market and in competition with other similar products.” Hmmm.

If this is absolutely constrained to the FINAL sale of the product to the consumer of the product, that means that if you are buying from a “licensed retail establishment” that you will be paying approximately 33% in taxes to the State. (The 25% excise and the 8% sales tax) It doesn’t state that it is on the final sale though. It says it is on the “first sale in an open market”. So…does that mean when the grower sells to someone for either distribution or manufacturing that the grower has to collect the 25% for the state? Here is the definition of an excise tax. (It’s rather complex, and this article is already very long, so please read the link) It certainly sounds to me as though the tax is something that is supposed to be collected on the sale by the grower after he pays the license fee to be able to sell the product at all.

He must then increase the down line cost of the product by adding an additional 25% cost to the next in line. Then when you get to the retail portion, the cost of goods is further increased by the state sales tax. So, let’s say the licensed grower sells an ounce for $100 for his labor and upkeep, and has to collect $125 from the licensed wholesaler/distributor or manufacturer to whom he sells. The distributor or wholesaler then has to mark up the product by whatever percentage will allow him to pay his license fee and make a living wage to the retailer, who then must again mark up what he sells the product for in order to cover his own living wage. Presume you do typical mark up of 30% for the distributor/wholesaler (more for the manufacturer as there are additional processes involved) as the distributor/wholesaler is supposed to be moving volumes. Now you’re looking at $125 + $37.50= $162.50. Then the retailer usually has to double as they have more insurance liability by having people come in and out of their location, and they have to deal with displays and such. Now you’re looking at $325 per ounce before the typical 8% sales tax ,which is another $26, so the cannabis consumer pays $351 per ounce and the state makes $51 plus licensing fees every step of the way. Mind you, $100 an ounce as a starting price is terrifically low. But is this really going to help out the average person a whole lot? I’m all for the State making money on the retail, but my rule of thumb is what did Yahweh ask for a tithe? Only 10%. Why does the State deserve more than 2 and half times what He requests? Maybe I’m the only one who thinks this way…I kind of doubt it though.

Someone will say, “But you can grow up to six plants, and that surely is enough for a household!” Well, let’s look at the six plant limit. Below you’ll find a little scenario that is not at all unreasonable. Just ask anyone who has ever gardened.

So you decide you like to garden and you’ll grow your own cannabis and therefore bring down the cost of making cannabis available for your household. You order seeds and spend $90 for ten seeds. Really. That’s a pretty good price, too. So you very carefully germinate your seeds and 9 out of ten germinate. Now you have to throw three down the toilet or you’ll be over your six plant limit. You carefully place these in small pots. They begin to put on leaves and now you have your six plants! You’re all legal and looking forward to excellent yields…Then you come home from work and two of your seedlings wilted on you. You mist them and hope they’ll recover. Well, they don’t. So now you have four plants and no more seeds to germinate. You figure that’s all fine because the advertisement said this was a high yielding variety and you can only have 16 ounces of dried product anyway. So when they get to be about 15 inches tall you put them outside into the best area of your backyard for good sun, but not too much, and you check on them daily. You patiently wait for September when you should be able to harvest. In the end of June, you and your family go away for the weekend and when you come home, one of your plants has simply disappeared. And the Japanese beetles picked that weekend to hatch out and eat your remaining plants up like crazy. So you set about making a protective enclosure for them and that involves shade cloth and posts and a gate and it takes you the rest of the week to get that done. You only have a couple of hours to work on it every night because this endeavor isn’t one that actually pays the bills. At this point you’re thinking it’s probably a lot easier to just buy the stuff, but you’re stubborn and keep after it until September. They’re looking okay, but the yields in the advertisement don’t look attainable…Harvest time comes and you get a total of three ounces from your three plants. Probably because the Japanese beetles hit right at flowering time…So you have three ounces after 6 months of tending and you’re scratching your head to figure out if it’s even worth trying again.

Imagine going through that when you are ever so hopeful that you will get a good yield on a strain that will help your child with epilepsy, or a parent with debilitating arthritis, diabetes, or cancer. Six plants? At what stage of maturity? And what happens if you are over that level and get caught by Code Enforcers or the police? Well, we can’t answer that other than to say the legislature will authorize fines and penalties for going over the “Household Exemption” level. It does limit it to up to $1000 or a year in jail. Does that sound good? Does it count toward the retirement funds and school funds prescribed in this amendment proposal? The proposed amendment says “revenue”. Do the enforcement fines and penalties count toward revenue?

Let’s consider the issue of using the amendment to aid law enforcement and firefighters pensions and retirements, and helping out the public school system with additional funds. While I am pro-education and pro-firefighter and all for peace officers, don’t we already spend a fair amount of tax money on these things? Are these funds being managed well? Isn’t this what various lottery proceeds are supposed to enhance as well? If we throw more money at them, do the actual students and the actual public servants ever really benefit? With the seizure laws that have been so onerously used, I have a really hard time thinking the public needs to give more money to police so that they can get more money by citing more people for regulatory violations as promoted in this proposed amendment.

There are some good things that are done in this proposed amendment. One is expunging of nonviolent cannabis offenses. But when you compare these two initiatives that, on their face, are supposed to legalize cannabis in Missouri, one flatly does so, and the other creates a plethora of bureaucracies and potential regulatory abuses along with continued legal system fines and penalties.

Let me be very clear here, while there is no part of me that wants to tolerate minors “getting stoned” or people driving while impaired, it is apparent that the ability to control those things still exist within our legal construct. Minors do NOT have the same rights as adults. Nor do they have the same responsibilities. People who drive while they are chemically/physically impaired by cannabis to the point that they cannot properly react to the hazards on the road are not being responsible, and should be charged with driving under the influence. Video evidence should be sufficient for the enforcement of driving while impaired.

Please check out all the links I posted in this incredibly long article. It’s very important that when we have amendments to consider on the ballot that we are wise in our decisions about them. We cannot be reactive and responsible at the same time. Study it out and be certain of your decisions.

I encourage you to read these amendments again, and if you have concerns, please feel free to voice them and let’s see if we the people can positively, and responsibly, disentangle ourselves from the corporately controlled nanny state on this issue.

 

http://www.truthfarmer.com

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24 Comments (+add yours?)

  1. Pat
    Jul 24, 2015 @ 10:24:12

    Reblogged this on POPS.

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  2. Jane Doe
    Jul 24, 2015 @ 11:16:13

    Weird, Mark Pederson was one of the founding members of Show Me Cannabis, not KC NORML.

    In your next article on this subject will you include the screenshots of KC NORML calling a well-known republican blogger, who agrees with legalizing cannabis, a neo-con whore?

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    • truthfarmer
      Jul 24, 2015 @ 11:57:29

      I don’t think I will include name calling. It’s not really something I think needs to have more airtime.

      My understanding was that Pedersen was involved with KC NORML, not the founder of it. Also interesting is that Dan Viets is on the board of Mo Normal and Show Me Cannabis. I readily admit that I am not intimately familiar with the internal politics of the cannabis movement. I’m a bit stunned at the level of contention within the movement.

      So, what about the issue of the two very different initiatives? Which one is better for the people of Missouri?

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      • Jane Doe
        Jul 24, 2015 @ 12:31:59

        I would hope you would include the social media posts that ultimately lead to the revocation of the KC NORML charter.

        When you pick a leader of the movement and they constantly post insulting and degrading posts towards woman, it becomes an issue.

        I’m for whatever group that can “show me” a real chance at passing at the ballot box. Patients are my first concern and upmost concern, and they need legal, affordable access.

      • truthfarmer
        Jul 24, 2015 @ 12:40:23

        I don’t do “social media”. I know, how terribly archaic of me, right? I don’t like the NSA any more than I like the FDA.
        I’m for getting the best thing to pass, not just anything. If we compromise for an “improvement” over the current paradigm using the overly regulated approach, the people who desperately need this will still be captives of the medical industrial complex. Freedom, self-determination and access are too important to compromise on.

      • Jane Doe
        Jul 24, 2015 @ 12:55:46

        Too many lives at stake, too many children suffering, too many patients hampered with drug convictions to let the baby out with the bath water.

        My main point is that the petition that KC NORML introduced is not the reason they had the charter revoked. They used facebook to demean woman and the President threatened members of the cannabis community who dared question the “no age limit” clause.

        There are two sides of every story, and in this case, we have screenshots of the offending posts to prove our side. I would hope when you decide to write that article you will be objective enough to include those.

        Have a wonderful day!

  3. Pat
    Jul 24, 2015 @ 15:07:23

    Very good write up. Thank you for sharing what you have found. Many out there are so convinced that this plant is the spawn of satan that they won’t even look at the evidence. It’s time to talk about it. Looking forward to part 2.

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  4. truthfarmer
    Jul 24, 2015 @ 18:57:59

    Thank you, Pat. It took a lot of research, and I am very glad that I did it.

    Jane Doe, I strive to be objective, but I make no bones about having a definite slant towards freedom. I will advocate for the things that give us all the most individual and financial freedom. Personal responsibility is tremendously important.

    I’ve studied both of the amendments and vastly prefer one over the other. This is no time to be divisive over insults. I know nothing of these insults and don’t actually care to investigate them. The issue is simply too large to get distracted by personality issues. I intend to stick to the topic and not get drawn off track by all the sideline issues that occur in every political or politicized issue.

    Mudslinging and infighting will not create better opportunities for people to help themselves and others. Again, the issue is too large to get distracted by personality issues.

    I DO NOT want to get into personality conflicts or personal vendettas over perceived or actual insults.. I strive to be issue oriented; and the issue is these two very different amendments. So, what are your thoughts on the proposed amendments?

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    • Jane Doe
      Jul 25, 2015 @ 08:29:10

      I realize that ultimate goal of both petitions is to be voted on by the people of Missouri, and when you ask 6 million people to do anything, you have to compromise to get that yes vote.

      This is an issue that results in life or death for some people, and putting our own wants and desires ahead people, who might ultimately die because a group refused to compromise on a very controversial issue, age limits for recreational use, is pretty selfish.

      If a group where to put out a sole medical initiative, that would be the first one I support, because we have to get our patients out of the line of fire, when it comes to the war on cannabis.

      When Show Me Cannabis released its petition it was made clear in no uncertain terms it was not the final draft, and they wanted public input on changes, so I’m in a holding pattern on speaking about that one until I see the final changes.

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  5. lkempen
    Jul 24, 2015 @ 19:05:32

    Great blog!
    Love the “freedom or feudalism” in the title!
    Truly, 2016-013 purports freedom; while 2016-009 (authored by Dan Viets of NORML) is a fast track to worsening feudalism. 2016-009 dares to even ensconce serious restrictions and limitations to cannabis in Missouri’s very Constitution! Scary stuff!

    It’s really a shame some people commenting here are deflecting attention from actually assessing ballot initiatives on their merit, and trying to re-focus discussions to their own gossip.

    When you read and more importantly COMPREHEND both ballot initiatives (2016-013, and 2016-009), it’s truly a no-brainer as to which one to support, from a Constitutional, Liberty-minded, and just plain logical perspectiv; 2016-013 is the ONLY re-legalization effort and campaign that makes sense.

    Post Script:
    I pity people who make fake profiles, use fake names, and believe the world revolves around them and their gossip. I truly hope God blesses them and directs their hearts and minds to a better position.

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    • Jane Doe
      Jul 25, 2015 @ 08:44:56

      I have friends on both sides of the aisle, I have seen the ugliness that happens when someone questions anything about the Pederson bill. The name-calling, the physical threats, I watched one of the ladies from the SPFG NORML consider quitting the movement due to death threats.

      I feel I need to stay hidden to protect myself and my family. While I know that isn’t ideal, I would hope you understand.

      God bless you!

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      • Pat
        Jul 25, 2015 @ 09:30:23

        Dear Jane Doe. It must be easy to sit behind a fake name and make accusations like that. Why don’t you give us your real name and the details as to what you say happened. You sound like a person that has come to our pages regularly and tries to create a separation, named Trish (and others). If you wish to discuss the merits of the proposals, we will be happy to have that discussion, either with you or any other person that is backing 009. You want a debate on the issues, lets do it. I’m tired of people like you coming in and attacking everything but the facts of the proposals. You talk big talk behind a fake name, let’s see what you can do in real life. My name is Patrick Kempen, I started a group called Hempeneers United on FB, and we are calling you out for the fake that you are. You want change, let’s talk about the change you want and the prohibition that goes with it.

      • Jane Doe
        Jul 25, 2015 @ 10:31:58

        It doesn’t seem logical to debate the merits of the two petitions when one is not finalized.

        I used the tools Show Me Cannabis provided to state what changes I would like to see. Let’s see if they implement any of the changes brought forth by the public before arguing about language that might not even be used.

      • truthfarmer
        Jul 25, 2015 @ 11:41:32

        It really doesn’t seem logical to file an initiative petition and then change it. It’s on the Sec of State site and what are we supposed to discuss and how are we supposed to be informed and make intelligent decisions if this is a “just a draft” subject to change? It’s the Constitution that is being discussed to be amended. Not just an idea someone has in 7th grade government class. If that is the defense for 2016-009 and all of its itinerant regulatory controls that are dangerous, then it is flatly irresponsible of the proponents. It’s not well thought out and seemingly -admittedly- not thought out.

        On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 10:32 AM, Truth Farmer wrote:

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      • Pat
        Jul 25, 2015 @ 10:56:55

        I see. So instead, you try to degrade the 2016-013 initiative while you have nothing else to back, and say we are the ones that need to compromise. Wow, you really are a piece of work. And you have the nerve to call us selfish. Who’s killing whom here with their choices? You won’t back a prohibition free act, that will allow parents and kids to get what they need to survive, but you will back something that isn’t even available?
        I now ask you what should be a simple question to answer, but we will see. Can you share any proposal from NORML or Show me Cannabis, that you would back, and this would include any national or state bill or initiative that they have ever written? You state that you are against prohibition, yet that is all those groups have ever supported. Please, tell me how that could be? Maybe it’s time to take another look and see what you and they are truly supporting, because it sure isn’t freedom.

      • Jane Doe
        Jul 25, 2015 @ 11:41:02

        Well, since Norml doesn’t write the petitions I cannot show you any from them. I was a fan of the petition that Pederson wrote with Show Me Cannabis in 2012, and I supported it and collected around 100 signatures for it, and donated money.

        I would like to see a medical petition with the best from both California’s and Colorado’s medical laws. Let’s get our patients out of the line of fire, giving them a chance to live, with a legal, accessible venues to get their medicine.

        Your posting seems really angry, and I don’t understand why. I’m not your enemy, and I would love to see it happen here in Missouri, but I just don’t think the Missouri voters are too that point yet. That doesn’t make me a bad person, and it doesnt mean that I view you negatively because you disagree with my position.

      • Pat
        Jul 26, 2015 @ 10:38:48

        Dear Jane,
        You state ” Well, since Norml doesn’t write the petitions I cannot show you any from them.” Just curious, Who wrote 2016-009? And who sent it to the state for approval to become a petition for circulation? And who is funding these things? Isn’t Veits a large part of writing it/them and isn’t he a high ranking member within the groups?

        Your next sentence states that Mark Pedersen wrote a petition with Show Me, so does that mean that Show Me writes petitions but not NORML? If they do, would you paste a link so we can see what they have attempted to pass? You said you backed it.

        In your next paragraph you start by “I would like to see a medical petition with the best from both California’s and Colorado’s medical laws.” What part of their laws would you like to see? They are all filled with prohibition(mobsters are getting richer, while the people still suffer). How are the people going to have the right to the nutrition, fibers, oils, and other valuable resources, from this plant if there is still a prohibition on it, and they are not allowed to grow the amount they need to get the oils for treatments that they need to cure their ailments, out of them? How is that right or good for the people?

        In that very next sentence you state, “Let’s get our patients out of the line of fire, giving them a chance to live, with a legal, accessible venues to get their medicine.” You are the one that continues to put the patients, like myself into the line of fire by asking, no demanding that there be prohibition. You are speaking from both sides of your mouth and are losing credibility real fast, if you haven’t already lost it.

        You then go on to state “Your posting seems really angry, and I don’t understand why. I’m not your enemy, and I would love to see it happen here in Missouri, but I just don’t think the Missouri voters are too that point yet.” First, this seems to be a regular statement being used, this is the second time someone has said almost the exact same wording. I guess you think anyone disagreeing with you must be angry, you have much to learn, or you are attempting to create an emotional response, either from me or the readers. For you to go on and on saying that you are not my enemy and telling the world that the voters are not ready, when it is you and other members of NORML and Show Me, that yell the loudest against our proposal is idiotic. You have put yourself into a position that should be called “enemy”. The MCRP act protects the people’s right to have access to a plant, while you continuously bash it so you can add prohibition to it. Please explain how you are helping and not acting like an enemy?

        FYI, I do view you negatively, and will continue to do so, as long as you try to tell me that you or anyone has the “right” to take a “right” away from me or my kids, that God gave me. Are we too stupid to be able to be responsible for ourselves? God didn’t think so. Yes, God. God Himself did not prohibit us from consuming cannabis, as a matter of fact He said that it is good. Did He warn against abusing it, yes, as well as many other things, like things that are actually dangerous to our physical well being, like the killer, alcohol, which isn’t controlled within the confines of the constitution. I will side with God on this. You can side on whatever side you wish to.

  6. R Duncan
    Jul 25, 2015 @ 08:16:29

    One of the best Blogs I have read to date on the legalization of Cannabis in the state of Missouri, addressing both initiatives with style grace & truthful facts. My hats off to you on addressing the good the bad & the ugly in this very informative & educational Blog. Thanks for contributing your thoughts & perspective on this very important matter at hand before the good people of Missouri. Keep up the good work to educate the masses !!!

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  7. David H.
    Jul 25, 2015 @ 11:47:03

    Jane Doe and others, first I want to make it clear that I have not been involved in this movement in any way and I am not a user of cannabis. I have been standing on the sideline watching to see what would happen. That doesn’t mean that I don’t have an opinion.

    I am for complete legalization, because of all the benefits the plant holds for the people. Since the 30’s these benefits have been have not only been withheld because of enormous profits for a few, but people trying to benefit have had their property stolen from them and imprisoned for many years just for possessing cannabis.

    Jane Doe, you are incorrect about the 2016-13 petition not being finalized, it is just as finalized as the other petitions that are approved for circulation by the SOS Office and it is off the list for public comment. It has been approved for circulation. Here is the link to the page: http://www.sos.mo.gov/elections/Petitions/default.aspx?PageID=1731
    Here is the link to pdf of the petition straight from the SOS Office:
    http://www.sos.mo.gov/cmsimages/Elections/Petitions/2016-013.pdf

    The petition 2016-013 AND 2016-009 cannot be changed at this point. So I don’t know what the hubbub is about.

    (2016-009 is the “lengthy NORML” initiative. It is reportedly back on the drawing board. 2016-009-the long one, and 2016-013- the short one, are BOTH on the Sec of State site and approved for the collection of sigs.)

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    • Jane Doe
      Jul 25, 2015 @ 18:46:20

      Show Me Cannabis made it clear that it was following the footsteps of other successful petitions by submitting language and getting approval, then asking for statewide feedback from Missourian citizens in conjunction with statewide polling.

      I’m well aware of the harms created by cannabis prohibition. I lost by my parents and a daughter to a cancer that cannabis could have beaten.

      I will admit thwt makes my judgements biased towards patients and a market that will allow them easy access too them.

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      • truthfarmer
        Jul 26, 2015 @ 07:44:12

        Sorry for your losses. I honestly see more benefit for medical access in the 2016-013, the shorter initiative. I don’t see how putting the language out there for 8 months and not amending it publicly is helpful to the Show Me Cannabis initiative.

        2016-009 has so many issues as it is published that it’s impossible to get behind. I will readily admit that I think one very minor tweak on the shorter initiative would remove all legitimate opposition to the amendment. But I am not in charge, nor even in a position of influence on either of these initiatives.

        Personally, I find it terrifically aggravating that the front line proponents of the cannabis movement cannot get together on this very important issue. It almost looks like the Show Me initiative is a red herring. I mean, 8 months after publishing and it still isn’t finalized? It’s not even government work. It reminds me of the 21 month waiting period for medical approval mentioned in the videos I linked.

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